Friday, July 6, 2012

- Time To Develop Anti-Drone Weaponry

This strikes me as a fairly stable design (who knows how efficient it is) but it does have a weakness. If you obstruct it's flight, it's crashing. Other drones might bounce off a wall and keep going.

Either way, I think it's time to start working on anti-drone weaponry. Maybe something akin to a flare gun that fires a 12 gauge blank and launches a small wire mesh designed to tangle propellers.

The guys where we hunt Pheasant every year have been harassed by animal rights nuts flying drones over their property. They shot a few down and ended up in court over it. Now they've gotten themselves approved as a heliport which prevents flying automated vehicles close enough to film the hunters. But I think a specific anti-drone weapon would be more fun to try.

You might even be able to make it spring loaded or something and avoid all the 'firearm regs'. Something to look into anyway, because it seems like there is going to be a market for it.

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If you can get past the hysterical narration here is some video of the guys at WingPoint trying to shoot down the animal rights drone. As I said, the issue has since been resolved there by getting themselves zoned as a Heliport. The Animal rights nuts have since moved on.

BTW, Wingpoint is actually a first class operation. We've been shooting Pheasant there every year for some time now. I couldn't recommend the place more highly in spite of what this A-hole has to say about them. What they do there is perfectly legal, safe (when the appropriate rules are followed), and in keeping with the local environment since Pheasant can't survive well in the wild in that part of the country.

Apart from that, I think wing shooting (particularly at Wingpoint) is an excellent way to introduce kids to the joys of hunting. It's a social, active event that doesn't involve much hanging around and waiting. You're with friends. You're following the dogs. you're watching the air for the flush of a bird. Afterward you sit down to a nice lunch while they clean and pluck your birds, then deliver them to you wrapped in cellophane on a foam tray as if you bought them at the organic grocer. All that fun and you bring home dinner too. It's beautiful area easily accessible by car from Greater NYC, and is just a few miles from the mammoth Cabelas store in Hamburg.

I'm sorry to put you through such commercial for them, but I really do love the place (where after a few years now I'm on a first name basis with the staff), and I think it's only fair to offer a little balance to the hyperbolic video narration above. I highly recommend the location, and I will be shooting there again - probably in November or December of this year. You should too. Tell Cindy you heard about it from me, and that I said Hi.

28 comments:

Chess said...

I have to wonder how this would handle in much wind...

This brings 2 things to my sick mind...1--- Mad magazine and spy vs spy... they built it Tom. Now its up to you to take it out.
2--- It should have an ACME stamp on it and the coyote is at the controls as you hear BEEP BEEP go by........

ikaika said...

The perfect anti-drone weapon is a Benelli SBEII in 12 ga. I suspect a steel shot load or hevi-shot in no 4 in a IM choke would give you enough reach-out-and-touch spread.

It would still be 50 state compliant.

Either that or we start building Punt guns or Tater cannons.

I would like to see G&A TV do a special on Drone neutralization. It would have more practical application than "Zombie" hunting schtick.

Tom said...

The only problem is that there is a material question. you need to vary shot size for range - number 4 minimum I think.

I was thinking something to fire maybe 6 pellets of shot webbed together with material that will stretch to about 5 or 6 feet but not be too elastic that it snaps back.

Pellet hit - break, webbing tangle - crash and break. then you need a lighter version for close range that would be non lethal if it hit someone. You know... for indoors.

Tom said...

In other words, the shotgun is good, but the shotgun shell might not be so great.

Chess said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7FeeamC4qk

Punt gun is a new one for me..This thing looks like it downed Gary Powwers

Keith said...

Thinking the size and speed of the camera drone might be easier hit than the gamble quail down near Nogales. I'd love to give it a try...
No Mexican smugglers to worry about either.

Tom said...

I'm told it's more like Canadian Geese - by the only guys who have (to my knowledge) ever shot one down. Look up "wingpointe hunting preserve" on the animal rights sites.

Tom said...

BTW, I'm told that a drone can withstand several hits with # 7.5 shot at a range of roughly 40 yards, and sustain only cosmetic damage - and that's with current materials.

Chess said...

Maybe a hand held EMP...Just fry its guts.......

ikaika said...

They do make a 10ga less than lethal bean-bag load.

modify the bean-bag into a net-charge.

Hell_Is_Like_Newark said...

Tom: They really can take that much punishment? Oh well.. there goes by idea of an RC plane armed with a 22 cal rim-fire Gatling gun.

Tom said...

7.5 shot doesn't carry much energy at that range (ask anyone who - like me - has been peppered with it). I think #4 or larger would do the trick, but yeah... they can take more than the seem.

ikaika said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paPJqUA86jw

Strung Buck is your starting point

Hell_Is_Like_Newark said...

like me - has been peppered with it


so you have something in common with Harry Whittington

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_incident

Tom said...

A farmer I know loaded his Hawken with 2 .54 caliber balls soldered together with piano wire for 'poaching' season once. Said it all but decapitated the Doe he shot with it.

Chess said...

Ikaika...After watching that ill be sleeping with the night light on for awhile.

frithguild said...

A good day for it, too. No clouds at all. On this hot blue summer afternoon, King's Free Park was as crowded as it ever gets.

Someone at police headquarters had expected that. Twice the usual number of copseyes floated overhead, waiting. Gold dots against blue, basketball-sized, twelve feet up. Each with a television eye and a sonic stunner, each a hookup to police headquarters, they were there to enforce the law of the park.

No violence.

http://www.larryniven.net/stories/cloak_of_anarchy.shtml

Tom said...

Getting peppered with a little shot is no big deal. It usually doesn't break the skin. The Cheney incident was considerably more severe.

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ikaika said...

The problem is guaranteeing the desired spread for a net.
You need to have the shot deploy from a cup like some modern hunting loads (not unlike a sabot).
4x .32 cal strung in a criss-cross. Enough - "string" to give you a fly-swatter spread.

You can go less than-lethal with rubber or plastic balls, but you better have a good lead or be very close.

The other Idea would be the AR-15 golf ball launcher. That way you wouln't be limited to 12 ga size componants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Bl5DUcuCc

ikaika said...

The problem is guaranteeing the desired spread for a net.
You need to have the shot deploy from a cup like some modern hunting loads (not unlike a sabot).
4x .32 cal strung in a criss-cross. Enough - "string" to give you a fly-swatter spread.

You can go less than-lethal with rubber or plastic balls, but you better have a good lead or be very close.

The other Idea would be the AR-15 golf ball launcher. That way you wouln't be limited to 12 ga size componants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Bl5DUcuCc

Tom said...

LOL ... I didn't imagine we had to build it today... but I'm liking the idea of 5 or 6 small bits of shot tethered together to a central point by kevlar thread. Then a hit with one delivers some portion of the energy of all, and it doesn't have to be fully spread to work - just get tangled up in the works and not the balance off center. then it should crash on it's own.

frithguild said...

shot tethered together to a central point by kevlar thread

Sounds like chain shot or bolo shells - would work well on a drone if you had a proximity device

chess said...

Or just hire an illegal alien from Argentina who ropes calves w bolos....Of course BHO would immediately give him voting rights and citizenship and the he would sue the shit out of you...

Tom said...

Just put on an update to the original - some video from the animal rights nuts of their drone being shot at.

Chess said...

To funny...The dude needs to go hug a tree...
Still thinking there has to be something to fry its guts.... Those magnesium shells could potentially be an answer.. Even if you dont down it it has to be fun whacking at it...

Ikaika's punt gun could... That looks like it would take down low earth orbittng satellites.

Chess said...

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2010/01/22/the-future-of-security-stopping-cars-dead-in-their-tracks-with-emp-guns/


this will do it

frithguild said...

I em the skinny guy in the pikchers