Tuesday, October 11, 2016

- Black Votes Matter (Don't They?)

I used to look at National Review to get some kind of idea of what politicos who don't support the Democrat are thinking.

So much for that strategy.

These days I don't really know where to go. Breitbart and Drudge are just as biased for Trump as the NYTimes and the MSM are against him. Fox news is a shipwreck if you're more interested in facts than personalities. It's very hard to find a place that gives any idea of what's really going on. There is far too much noise and far too little signal to get any idea.

Central to my concern is this story. It's a few weeks old, but still highly relevant, and I can't figure out what there isn't anyone who is talking about it:

Per Politico, in 2008 and 2012, Obama received 95% of the 1.7mm votes cast by black voters in Florida. Unfortunately for Hillary, a recent poll from Florida Atlantic University found that she is only polling at 68% among black voters while Trump is polling at 20%. Now, if you assume that black voter turnout drops just 5% in 2016 and that Hillary's support drops from 95% to 70% that could cost her over 500,000 votes in a state that Obama only won by roughly 75,000. When factoring in the higher support for Trump this could swing the overall Florida race by 7 points...not a good sign when Obama narrowly won the state by less than 1%.

The same basic rule is going to hold true in all the swing states. But as far as I can tell, none of the polling is incorporating lower black voter turnout into their models. So unless you believe that Hillary really is going to garner the same adoring attention from black voters in 2016 as Obama did in his elections, there is really going to be a major problem with the polling this year.

I'm sure all the 'Trump is a raciss!' talk on the left will drive a few blacks out to vote on election day, and they'll reliably do what they're told. But they don't hate Trump nearly as much as they love Obama. He's the greatest thing to happen to black America since Martin Luther King first landed on the moon.

I also don't want to fall into the trap of simply ignoring the polls as they stand. There is real information there, particularly with those polls that expose their weighting decisions and process (which are several). But why isn't anyone talking about this?

Maybe with the defection of National Review and half the Republican party insiders to the Democrat team, there isn't anyone supporting the Republican candidate who actually understands this stuff? I realize the campaign has it's own agenda to talk about and a limited amount of air time to discuss it. Discussions about polling usually fall to the talking heads. But with Trump's general media antipathy, and the out and out panic he's causing in the establishment right, maybe all the people who know, are now people who don't want to discuss it?

And all told, I can't believe no one has taken notice of the fact that Hillary Clinton is not in fact a tall condescending black man from Hawaii.

And by the way guys, if you ever wanted an example of the kind of frame control the media does to turn news into propaganda, I think this is a good example. I didn't say that NR is supporting Hillary. I could deny saying it, and challenge anyone who accuses me of it to show me where that language is. It's not there. It's assumed. It's unquotable. You can't paste it into twitter and make me look like an a-hole. Bring on your idiotic 'fact checkers'. That blurb has what the Clinton's like to call 'plausible deniability'

Do I think NR is supporting Hillary? I think it's pretty clear what I think. But I still get to deny it anyway, and no one can prove what I think one way or the other. And that's coming from a totally amateur hack like me, who can't even manage to get his spelling and punctuation right with a spellchecker involved.

Just imagine all the bias the MSM who do this professionally are adding to their 'news'.

9 comments:

chess said...

Tom just lead in with this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMXgvAGbQGg

MikeCLT said...

Steve Sailer noticed (several months ago-he does that) the lack of black enthusiasm for Hillary and the possibility of Trump's economic populism and general style (lots of gold and flash) being appealing to a lot of blacks, especially black men. He speculated that this could be good news for Trump.

I am not sure why it hasn't been reported other than it is not good for Hillary and might help Trump by encouraging him to go after the black vote hard.

Trump has an extremely hard road to victory but it is possible. As he said in the debate, it was 3 on 1. Now it's more like 4 on 1 after the defection of the GOP. They weren't ever going to be a big help but now they are working against him. F them going forward.

chess said...

Al Gore in Florida with the H. He is sitting there just thinking i lost the prez in this state by 530 votes and a conservative SCOTUS. He wont have to worry bout that SCOTUS stuff ever again.

Hell_Is_Like_Newark said...

If Trump is polling at 20% with black men, that is even better than I expected (I thought it would be around 15% max).

Muzzlethemuz said...

I am no expert on Florida but in my last several visits there I have been left with the impression that Orlando - south is New Jersey and everything above Orlando is the Old South. I would think that voting will be consistent with those divisions. The Bubbies and Zaydes will vote for Clinton, the Crackers will vote for Trump and yes, young, black men seem to love heavy gold jewelry.

chess said...

I watched him with Bill Oreilly last pm. He just doesn't get it. It is the same huuuge rally crap. Slow brain and even slower than I thought. He was touting a brand new commercial on her health. Dude that is old news unless she has a fit.
He said he doesn't really use the Wikileaks stuff since liberal press doesn't run with it. Bypass those shits and put in a commercial.
To win he has to have some help from Bernies crowd. He needs a commercial with Bernie and the H with Debbie WS and how Bernie got screwed. To win Trump needs some of Bernies followers to say I am going to screw Hillary by voting for Trump or by staying home.
If I dont see an ad that contains the deplorables/Bernie's basement dwellers along with Catholics/evangelicals asking "who is she really running for in this country he is toast.
I think he is toast no matter. Maybe they are holding onto their money till last week or two bot in doing so you lose a lot of voters who vote by mail. ??Maybe 40% in some states. You hit them NOW...You cant wait to hit them when they mailed in their ballot last week.
Toast and still hers to lose

chess said...

Catholics better wake up.

MikeCLT said...

Trump needs to get these people at the rallies to register and to the polls not just to his rallies. I wonder how many people at the rallies are not registered to vote. He may not get it. He needs their votes not their applause.

chess said...

Their ground machine is single A ball vs dems major leagues.